Eighteen months of Gupta Amygdala Retraining™

Some “brain retraining for MCS” devotees have criticised me for daring to say anything negative about the DNRS and Gupta programs without having done them myself. So here is a comment from someone with MCS who tried the Gupta program:

Doing the Gupta Amygdala Retraining (affiliate), for 18 months under the supervision of a mental health professional did not cure me, or did it significantly reduce my chemical or mould sensitivities on an ongoing basis (short term relief for achieved), but it did teach me to calm my anxieties about the symptoms and pain considerably.  This did improve my quality of life and it did turn down the volume of my pain somewhat, to a level that was much more tolerable.  (well most of the time!)

Unfortunately, although some people with MCS report a full recovery doing a program like Gupta Amygdala Retraining, I do not believe it will lead to full recovery for all of us. Nor do I believe it is sensible for everyone to completely stop chemical and trigger expoure minimisation completely. When I did this (for 18 months) my sensitivities actually became worse.

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15 Comments

  1. karl

    Yes I have done 4 years of neural retraining in the form of Gupta, 8 months intensely after no major results, I then went on too do the lightening process for 7 months intensely also with out major results, then I tried some professional hypnosis without major results, then I did annie hoppers dnrs for 3 or 4 months very intensely without major results. Then I tried some more professional hypnotism without major results again. When I wasnt training intensely I was also using these techniques less intensely. So I guess i’ve given it an extremely good chance too work and sadly i’ve been let down by false promises really. It hasnt been a waste of time though as I have learnt from Gupta too pace myself and be kind too myself. I’ve also learnt there is a hell of alot of deception out there alot of smoke and mirrors and people trying too make money out of you. If anyone was wanting too try any of these techniques I would suggest trying a proffesional hypnotist first and if this works for you then these other programmes will also work for you, because at the end of the day these programmes are self hypnotism repackaged and sold on as a new concept, they are not new concepts at all, they are all tried and tested techniques some hundreds of years old and some are thousands of years old.

    Peace out

  2. I feel like a broken record and I sometimes feel like I’m monopolizing your comments section, but it’s a message that needs to get through.

    “Some “brain retraining for MCS” devotees have criticised me for daring to say anything negative about the DNRS and Gupta programs without having done them myself.”

    How dare you Catherine?! The idea that a person has to try a treatment to be able to comment on it is absurd for a number of reasons. We shouldn’t just blindly try treatments without researching them first. That’s not what informed, educated people do. There’s a long history of unwittingly bad medical treatments and deliberately bad medical treatments and everything in between. A lot of MCS sufferers have bankrupted themselves as they tried as many treatments as they could. We all have friends who tell us what they think we should do when those friends don’t even understand our condition. And that’s key: the red herring that these treatments address is the one that says that we’re exaggerating our symptoms via anxiety. It assumes that we’re all irrationally anxious. Pardon me for reading between the lines, but this person sounds a bit like someone who had her hopes up for recovery and hates to admit that it didn’t really work.

    “[n]or did it significantly reduce my chemical or mould sensitivities on an ongoing basis, but it did teach me to calm my anxieties about the symptoms and pain considerably.”

    Right there, she says what we’ve been saying all along: this does not address the true physiological pathology of MCS. Even though this person has now learned first-hand that these programs are not cures, she still hasn’t arrived at a very well-warranted skepticism:

    “Unfortunately, although some people with MCS report a full recovery doing a program like Gupta Amygdala Retraining, I do not believe it will lead to full recovery for all of us.”

    If it leads to a “full recovery”, they didn’t have MCS. They probably had hypochondria and/or some other issue, like the last person you wrote about. I’m inclined to believe that there are a lot of people out there with dashed hopes who can’t bring themselves to come out publicly with their experiences because they’re crushed, and the pressure of others prevents them from doing so. There is a lot of peer pressure at work here, along with other MCS bloggers who have a financial stake in this because they use affiliate links to these programs.

    What’s worse is that these charlatans recommend that people do what is known to make our lives even more miserable: stop minimizing exposures. These people are not scientific thinkers AT ALL. They ignore what is understood about our disease based on a delusional interpretation of the process that is borne from a desire to believe that it works in the way that they want it to:

    “Nor do I believe it is sensible for everyone to completely stop chemical and trigger expoure minimisation completely. When I did this (for 18 months) my sensitivities actually became worse.”

    How can MCS sufferers not see that this is akin to telling smokers to stop being afraid of cancer and just start smoking again? I’ve said it many times before: people who resort to such “cures” have likely already reduced their symptoms by minimizing exposures for long periods of times. It’s the only mode of treatment that has been proven to work. At this point, we CAN go back out into more public settings. But we need to be cautious so that we don’t wind up losing the gains that our hard-fought isolation has wrought.

    Thanks for not standing down Catherine.

    BTW: I don’t know if you spend much time there, but I friended you on facebook to say “hi”.

    • You never were sick

      And this is EXACTLY the kind of thinking that keeps people trapped in ‘sick victim’ mode. People who identify so much with their MCS and their condition, that they cannot accept what the Gupta programme and other neural rewiring programs actually do from a larger perspective. Take a look at some of Bruce Lipton’s work. What a ridiculous, uninformed comment. Yeah, all of the people who have healed from MCS on DNRS and Gupta did not have MCS. They were all hypochondriacs. LOL. I know a few of these people personally. Some of them were so violently sick, they were walking around with respirators. Examine your own beliefs, because likely this is the biggest factor which keeps us sick in the first place. This is what the Gupta Progamme teaches…..so many of us have so many subconscious beliefs and blocks that prevent us from getting better, but people in ‘communities’ for MCS and the like are so identified with the concept that MCS is something ‘different’…..it’s not. Open yourself up.

      Namaste

      • DNRS and Gupta are just anxiety treatment. Some people think their physical symptoms of anxiety are MCS reactions. Anxiety can cause severe physical symptoms so if people were “so violently sick, they were walking around with respirators” it doesn’t prove anything about the cause of their symptoms.
        There is a rat model for MCS (see https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10487361 and http://drclaudiamiller.com/new/images/articles/1996_Potential_animal_model_of_mcs_with_cholinergic_supersensitivity.pdf). Do you think these rats have subconscious beliefs and blocks that prevent them from getting better?

      • You never were sick

        No, they are not. Your comment sadly reeks of your own biased ignorance and I say this lovingly. I guess all of the people who have healed from CFS/ME, MCS, Adrenal fatigue, severe allergies, POTS, LGS, among countless other diseases on Gupta, DNRS and countless other programs of the like are all frauds or never truly had those diseases.They were all just ‘neurotic’.

        Everything starts with the same root cause. I didn’t believe it until I saw it myself. Neuroplasticity was a foreign term to me, until it wasn’t and my own research in epigenetics, neuroplasticity and spirituality has finally put it all together. I know people who were on respirators before starting Gupta from such severe MCS and are now completely healed.

        No, it doesn’t work straight out for everyone and some people, it takes years to finally get to an 80 percent mark, and others it takes 6 months to get to 100 percent…..and that’s largely because people need ADDITIONAL therapy on the side of working with Gupta and DNRS to uncover their subconscious beliefs. Many of us have had trauma which keeps this entire cycle alive. We don’t realize how powerful our own beliefs are, but they are the aspects of ourselves that keep natural well blocked from flowing through us.

        Your entire website is keeping the name of your illness alive through your constant focus on it.You believe you are a person stuck with a disease. You’re not.

        I came across your blog last night on a google search and people will continue to be trapped in the identity of their illness until they realize they don’t have to anymore. I’m done here.

        With love

      • You never were sick

        And one last thing, I can’t comment on the article you sent because I just don’t know enough about it.

        But, your entire site is devoted to proving that brain retraining does not work or at least you have a good amount of articles on the site in this area. All I am saying is…..there are COUNTLESS people who are healing on these programs from MCS, yes MCS. These are REAL people. Stop doing research, stop posting about it and just give it a try! A lot of it is related to the placebo effect.I don’t know you personally or the people who comment, but you don’t have to live that life anymore of being a sick person.

        Joe Dispenza and Bruce Lipton have wonderful work with this. The more doubts you create, as per the law of attraction, you will only convince yourself that you can’t do something. And you know what? If you give it a go, and it doesn’t work? At least you tried. But, you have to fully commit to it if you are going to explore and yes, a lot of it requires additional trauma work with a therapist or coach on the side. I have found that Gupta alone was not enough for me. My work with a therapist and coach gave me the extra benefits that helped push me over.

        Anyway, I’m going to stop now. But, please consider it. You create your own reality. No one else does it for you. You are not a person who is a victim of a disease.

        With love again

      • Gupta is treating anxiety. It’s in his own, cherry picked literature. I don’t have a problem with anxiety in regards to my MCS. My MCS is in control because I’ve kept my environments in control. My threshold for reactions has improved because I’ve reduced my toxic load. There is plenty of commentary out there from people who believed that they were cured of MCS via these programs and found themselves back where they were. I’ve got no delusions. Only a background in healthcare, research, and 20 years of experience with this disease. None of the PHYSICIANS are claiming that these treatments resolve the physical nature of the disease.

      • You never were sick

        Enjoy your lives with MCS while the rest of us move on and live happily.

      • Having MCS doesn’t prevent people from being happy.

      • If you don’t know enough to comment on the article I provided a link to you don’t know enough to comment on MCS.

      • “No, they are not,” isn’t a convincing argument. I’ve written about brain retraining success stories here: https://multiplechemicalsensitivity.wordpress.com/2015/02/06/who-benefits-from-brain-retraining-for-mcs/.
        As I wrote before, anxiety can cause severe physical symptoms so if people use respirators it doesn’t prove anything about the cause of their symptoms.
        I’ve only posted on this blog three times this year so I don’t know why you say it is a constant focus.
        I’ve never written that I believe I’m “a person stuck with a disease” because I’ve never believed that. Maybe that’s what you believed, but that doesn’t mean other people believe that too.

      • So allow me to sum up the informed posting of “You were never sick”:

        “. . . I can’t comment on the article you sent because I just don’t know enough about it.”

        She admits to not knowing what she’s talking about, yet she wants us to listen to her.

        “Stop doing research . . .”

        That’s a good one. “Stop trying to understand.” Gotcha.

        “. . . the law of attraction . . .”

        It isn’t a “law” just because they call it one. This “law” is all about confirmation bias and happenstance. If a person doesn’t understand the difference between a law and a belief system, then that person is hardly a reliable source for medical advice. Much like the rest of these “healers” who also are not educated in medicine.

        “If you give it a go, and it doesn’t work? At least you tried.”

        Thousands of people with MCS and other like diseases have bankrupted themselves and experienced depression to the point of suicide for following this sort of “advice”.

        “I have found that Gupta alone was not enough for me. My work with a therapist and coach . . .”

        In other words, your illness was in large part a psychological fear of chemicals. Congratulations!

        “A lot of it is related to the placebo effect.”

        You do know that the placebo effect is not actually curative, don’t you? I’ve dealt with the potential healing effects of placebo. It doesn’t work for me. I’ve tried so many products and interventions that sounded very convincing, but they did nothing for me but get my hopes up. Clearly my condition is physiological and I am not imagining or fearing anything. Good for me, because I’m really not suffering any more than I have to.

        “You create your own reality.”

        Would you say this for a child with leukemia? These absurd claims sound great to nonthinkers who can easily be convinced by trite self-affirmations and such, but they don’t cut it for everyone.

        “No one else does it for you. You are not a person who is a victim of a disease.”

        Can an amputee follow this approach? A person with cancer? A burn victim? No? What’s the difference? The difference is that in your view, this is not a physiological problem. And for some people that is either wholly true or partially true. Some people get mildly sick and they exaggerate their illnesses to the point of maladaptive fear and obsession. Gupta, psychotherapy, and a “coach” may be just the ticket. But the one thing that all of these people have in common is that they do nothing to actually treat physiological diseases.

        “Enjoy your lives with MCS while the rest of us move on and live happily.”

        This from the person who had previously posted “namaste” and “with love again”. She is a phony believing in phonies. But as it happens, she obviously hasn’t actually read my posts, just as she actually hasn’t read any literature, because if she did, she would have read that my interventions used to actually address my physiological illness have been working.

  3. One more thing: I’ve mentioned that Gupta’s “paper” is unscientific cherry-picking that would never appear in a proper medical journal, and that the journal that published it states that they will publish anything that’s “interesting”. This article talks about these types of journals.
    http://www.vox.com/2014/11/21/7259207/scientific-paper-scam

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